BP Dev-Chat Summary : July 6, 2022

11.0.0 tickets needing attention

  • #8709: bumping BP 11.0.0 required WP version to 5.7. @im4th added a patch to the ticket and will soon commit it. He requested some new eyes to check nothing was missed.
  • #8687: improving the way we load deprecated functions. @dcavins & @im4th had a longer discussion about it. The new logic is to only load the last 2 versions deprecated functions in case BuddyPress was upgraded. This means brand new installs won’t load deprecated functions. Defining the BP_IGNORED_DEPRECATED constant to true would let new installs load the 2 last versions deprecated functions and defining it to false would load all deprecated functions. @dcavins is amazed by the fact BP > 2.7 installs never had issues although deprecated functions is never loaded in thesee cases. @im4th pointed him to #8702 to illustrate this was actually the opposite happening and said this ticket also needs to be fixed.
  • #8679: only load template pack assets (styles and JavaScripts) in site’s BuddyPress specific areas. @im4th sees potential issues with Legacy widgets about the first patch he added to the ticket. @dcavins suggested to include a constant to still load these everywhere as some BP plugins might still expect this kind of availability. @im4th agreed we need to think more about it. If you have opinions about it, please add comments to the ticket. We’ll try to be the more conservative possible about it.
  • #7614: group members count issues. This ticket was reopened after a bug was raised about the changes we introduced in 10.0.0. @im4th asked @dcavins to have a look at it. He believes we might need a new repare tool in case this count is out of sync.
  • #8693: site membership issue on Multisite configs. @dcavins has a plan about it 💪

Progress on roadmap

During June 22’s dev-chat, we discussed about this roadmap for our next couple of major releases. Here’s how we’re progressing about it.

  • After exploring potential impacts about our will to remove our dependency to jQuery, @im4th thinks the best approach is to build a new template pack to make this happen. It would be like an evolution of BP Nouveau. He already thought about the name of this new template pack: « BP reNouveau » (FYI: nouveau is the French for new and renouveau is the French for renewal). The idea is to keep all Nouveau look and feel (CSS), avoid code/template duplication by using it as a fallback and focus on using modern JavaScript along with the BP REST API instead of Ajax calls. @im4th secretly hopes reNouveau will be part of the 11.0.0 release.
  • Attachments / User generated media: it’s 11.0.0 dev cycle main top feature. It’s being developed from our BP Attachments GitHub repository and will be released as a feature as a plugin. After discussing with @dcavins, @im4th thinks v1 should only focus on the Members component. Groups support needs more time to find the best approach about it. So far @im4th has chosen « the media shared in a group belongs to it » approach but doesn’t feel comfortable about it as media should probably always belong to the member who shared it. Problem is: what happens when a member leaves a group? If you have ideas about it, don’t hesitate to share them adding a comment to this GH issue.

11.0.0 initial schedule reminder

  • First beta: October 19, 2022.
  • Release: December 14, 2022.

Next Dev-Chat

It will happen on July 20 at 19:30 UTC in #BuddyPress. If you have specific points you want to discuss about, don’t hesitate to share them in comments.

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BP Dev-Chat Summary : June 22, 2022

BuddyPress roadmap for the next major releases

Remove progressively our dependency to jQuery.

  • @im4th suggested to modernize BuddyPress JavaScript starting with dropping progressively our dependency to jQuery. @dcavins agreed it was a good time to do so.
  • Some parts won’t be easy, eg: the Profile Admin UI, mentions… But we will work on renewing BP Nouveau template pack’s JavaScript at least.
  • @im4th will soon audit the BP Nouveau Template pack and write a Trac ticket about this audit’s results.

Block based activity post form

  • The work we’ve been doing into the BP Blocks plugin is now broke with latest WordPress version. It’s pretty difficult for us to follow the Block editor evolutions/breaking changes from WP versions to WP versions.
  • Let’s try to use the great work done on the Isolated block editor by Automattic to use it for the activity post form.
  • @im4th has started playing with it and he believes we’ll be able to include our own BP Block API inside of it to add blocks to share media (BP Attachments), mini surveys, etc…

BP Attachements

  • @im4th has made some interesting progress about it (handling the delete action) and he updated the issue where he started to explain how it’s / will be working.
  • Next big step is handling the edit actions which can be pretty challenging (eg: moving a file into another directory, dealing with file revisions)
  • Private media will be supported in v1 of the plugin for users being able to perform a little server configuration task.

BuddyPress.org

Our current theme is great, but it begins to have more and more little issues and let’s be honest it’s getting old! Building a theme can take a lot of time so @im4th suggested again to do 2 tasks at once:

  • Include a new BuddyPress theme into the BuddyPress plugin (a replacement to BP Default?)
  • Use this theme on BuddyPress.org

@dcavins brought a very important point about it: we’ll need to attract some new contributors for that especially if the world if drifting toward full site editing themes. @im4th has started exploring block templates and full site editing themes and would really like this theme to support the feature.

We’ll post on BuddyPress.org about it to try to motivate some contributors to give us a hand (even if the last time we did it for documentation it failed…).

BP Rewrites and bbPress incompatibility

This part has been fixed, a specific compatibility script has been added to the BP Rewrites in its latest release.

11.0.0 initial schedule & priorities for this release

Initial schedule

  • First beta: October 19, 2022.
  • Release: December 14, 2022.

Priorities

As @dcavins noticed, the roadmap we discussed about can takes time to achieve, so we ranked our tasks to know where to focus, and to avoid having 75% finished features around October 19.

  1. BP Attachments feature as a plugin ready for 11.0.0
  2. JavaScript improvements to BP Nouveau (dropping jQuery dependency progressively)
  3. Tickets into the 11.0.0 milestone (only load template pack assets in BuddyPress areas, Members invitations in multisite..).
  4. Block based activity post form plugin as a feature
  5. a new FSE BP Theme we can include in the plugin and use on BuddyPress.org.

Achieving 1, 2 & 3 is our goal for 11.0.0, but if we find time or new contributors we will try to do 4 and 5 as well!

Open floor

@espellcaste was in Porto for the WCEU 2022 and attended a workshop called “Creating communities with WordPress MU”. He shared his notes with us after the dev chat and we reacted about it as one the workshop conclusion was BuddyPress is not a good tool to build communities. Some good points were raised and we’ll use them to improve BuddyPress and convince the workshop author she was wrong 😉.

Next Dev-Chat

It will happen on July 6 at 19:30 UTC in #BuddyPress. If you have specific points you want to discuss about, don’t hesitate to share them in comments.

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BP Dev-Chat Summary : June 8, 2022 & June 22 BP Dev-Chat agenda

Features for BuddyPress next major release (11.0.0)

The BP Attachments React based UI
  • @im4th shared a GitHub link to an issue summarizing what is/will be inside the BP Attachments feature informing the delete action was still missing. Since this chat, he included this action to the React based UI. As you can see in the above screenshot, one of the goal is to be able to create folders to organize user generated media.
  • @im4th & @johnjamesjacoby agreed it was ok to bump WordPress required version to 5.7 in BuddyPress 11.0.0, see #8709.
  • As we lost ourselves into endless conversations about using PHPCS, @im4th said he would like to see a first patch added to #7228. He thinks this patch should include a GitHub action so that GitHub PR submitted to our repository could be checked against the PHPCS rules we choose to observe.

Next Dev-Chat

It will happen today on June 22 at 19:30 UTC in #BuddyPress. Here’s our agenda :

  • A new strategy for a Block based activity post form.
  • BP Attachments & Media in 11.0.0
  • Let’s work on things we can use for BuddyPress.org: a new bundled BP Theme (as a replacement to BP Default?)
  • Let’s work on removing our dependency to jQuery.
  • BP Rewrites 1.3.0: bbPress forward compatibility!

Let’s try to be a lot of BuddyPress contributors to join this chat 🙏🤝

#11-0-0, #agenda, #dev-chat, #summary

BP Dev-Chat Summary : May 25, 2022 & June 11 BP Dev-Chat agenda

First thoughts about BuddyPress next major release (11.0.0)

  • @dcavins & @im4th started this topic trying to reply to the question « what is the most awaited BuddyPress feature? » Both came to the conclusion it was about Media. A component to improve the way BuddyPress handles user media is a huge challenge, but we think it’s a good time to start making decisive progress about it.
  • @im4th shared the GItHub link to the BP Attachments feature as a plugin informing the plugin was using the REST API, React & Block components.
  • @im4th also needs to tidy a bit the GitHub repository so that @dcavins and the rest of the team can catch up about progress made so far and so that we’ll be able to share some tasks.
  • @dcavins suggested we focus on Media during the 11.0.0 development cycle and include the issues we’ve already added to the 11.0.0 milestone such as bringing Multisite support to Site Invitations.

Documentation effort

We’ve decided to put documentation meetings on hold for now. Here’s what @im4th said about it « Updating doc is a huge challenge, but we need some more motivation like new people helping us. I think not getting help about it is a bit frustrating ». The staging site is still available and we can carry on improving things from there when we can find some time to.

Next Dev-Chat

It will happen tomorrow on June 8 at 19:30 UTC in #BuddyPress. Here’s our agenda :

  • BP Attachments & Media in 11.0.0
  • Required WP version for 11.0.0

#11-0-0, #agenda, #dev-chat, #summary

BP Dev-Chat Summary : May 11, 2022.

Trac updates

  • #8693 we first talked about the behavior of the site invitations feature when BuddyPress is completely using the signups table (Multisite and custom WordPress config). We’ll need to add this feature support to these configs during the 11.0 development cycle.
  • As WordPress 6.0 is just around the corner, we will package a new maintenance release (10.3.0) asap to fix 7 bugs.
    • #8688 will bring a more optimized way to count group members.
    • Improvements to the BP Nouveau Template pack and to the Private Messages component.
    • A MySQL notice error which was logged when multiple notifications were batch marked as read #8676
  • We finally decided to punt #8687 to 11.0.0 to improve the way we load deprecated code. The plan is to only load the code that was deprecated 2 versions ahead the current one.

Next Dev-Chat

It will happen on May 25 at 19:30 UTC in #BuddyPress.

#10-3-0, #11-0-0, #dev-chat, #summary

BP Dev-Chat Summary : April 13, 2022.

BP Rewrites 1.0.0-RC1 feedbacks and next steps

@dcavins & @im4th agreed it was time to submit the plugin to the WordPress Plugins directory to enter into the massive testing time of the BP Rewrites feature as a plugin. Having the plugin available into this directory will make it easier for more people to test it and will help us to do the potential adjustments before thinking about merging the feature into BuddyPress Core. Get ready to have it soon listed into the BuddyPress Add-ons tab of the “Add New” Plugin screen of your WordPress dashboard.

BP Trac updates

  • #8676 (Notifications already marked as read issue) has been fixed and will be part of 10.3.0 minor release
  • #8675 (Group Invites User screen improvement) is almost ready to be committed (we still need to check it with the BP REST API). The work @oztaser and @im4th did on the ticket is a good example of how GitHub Trac integration can speed up our patch/PR review process. This enhancement will be part of 11.0.0 major release.

BP Support forum updates

This topic about DB overheat brought our attention although we were not able to reproduce the issue. We suspect a plugin interference. If you have any inputs about it, don’t hesitate to comment the topic to help us 🙏..

Next Dev-Chat

It will happen on April 27 at 19:30 UTC in #BuddyPress.

#10-3-0, #11-0-0, #dev-chat, #summary

BP Dev-Chat Summary : March 2, 2022.

10.1.0 feedbacks

Apart from a mysterious bug about the avatar crop step (we were not able to reproduce it so far), and a question about how to bring back legacy widgets, @vapvarun confirmed there was no alerts posted in our support forum.

@dcavins is using the 10.0.0 new features on several new sites and so far he hasn’t found any other issues.

10.2.0 Schedule

Unfortunately the notifications user cache issue was partly fixed in this release, see #8642. @im4th is in favor of packaging a new maintenance release soon to include the fix committed lately as well as other 10.0.0 regression issues that could have been fixed in the meantime. @vapvarun & @dcavins agreed about this plan 👉 expect 10.2.0 to be released asap!

Open floor

@im4th has been tested BuddyPress using PHP 8.1. He has found a lot of notices and improving our support to this PHP version will need some heavy changes about our PHPUnit testcases, see #8649.

Next Dev-Chat

It will happen on March 16 at 19:30 UTC in #BuddyPress.

#10-0-0, #10-1-0, #dev-chat, #summary

BP Dev-Chat Summary : February 16, 2022.

10.1.0 maintenance release

@im4th started the meeting asking if the team has seen something specific relative to the 10.0.0 upgrade. An issue about avatar upload was found there. So far none of us were able to reproduce the issue. @im4th wondered if it could be some users disabling the Backbone base UI in favor of the legacy one. He has tested since this situation and there is a bug preventing the avatar to be successfully uploaded in 10.0.0. It has been fixed by @oztaser into trunk and the 10.0 branch, see #8619.

@vapvarun shared about the issue rtMedia had with the Groups component, it has been fixed by the plugin authors since in plugin version 4.6.10. He also shared an issue about the Privacy page not being included into the registration form when it should. This issue is still under investigation.

Team agreed we need to package a maintenance release. We were planning to do it at the end of last week, but some other issues were reported on Trac so we prefered to delay a bit to include fix for these new issues. As soon as the last one will be fixed (See #8637), we’ll package 10.1.0 (probably later today or tomorrow).

BP Rewrites’ first beta

@im4th published an announcement post on this blog a few days ago. It’s important to prepare the plugin to be hosted on WordPress.org so that testing is made more widely. @oztaser already started to test the plugin and found some issues, fixed most of them. The one issue that is not fixed yet is the one that happens when you activate BP Rewrites before BuddyPress.

@dcavins shared his doubt about his plugins: “My doubt there is I know I’ve written plugins that run on bp_init . It will be interesting to see if they all blow up.”

That’s precisely the goal of the Backcompat mechanism the plugin is including which needs the most testing. @im4th said “The goal is to try to  have a first version with the less bugs as possible to publish it on WordPress.org plugin directory and see how it goes when used more widely. Then wait a few BuddyPress releases like 2 or 3 to be sure it’s ok to merge it into Core”.

4 to 6 months to improve the BuddyPress’ documentation site

No major releases, all energy on docs!

@im4th

We’re all in favor of spending the energy we put in building a major release into improving the documentation site. And we’ll try to do it by organizing each other wednesdays (when we usually meet to talk about BuddyPress development) a “contributing to docs hour”. From 19:30 UTC to 20:00 UTC, we’ll discussed about potential maintenance releases and from 20:00 UTC to 21:00 UTC everyone is welcome to contribute to BuddyPress documentation.

@vapvarun said we need a direct link fromt this site to the official BuddyPress site, it has been added into the “Official site resources” sidebar widget ✅. He can also contribute with walkthrough videos.

We’re all very eager to start this new type of meetings and we really hope you’ll be a lot to join us.

Next Dev-Chat

It will happen on March 02 at 19:30 UTC in #BuddyPress.

First Contributing-to-docs-hour

It will happen on March 02 at 20:00 UTC in #BuddyPress

#10-0-0, #dev-chat, #summary

BP Dev-Chat Summary : February 2, 2022.

Unfortunately, not many of us could join the meeting. Points about 10.0 first feedbacks, 10.1.0 release schedule and the documentation effort were not really discussed.

10.1.0

@im4th shared his concern about the regression we introduced about the custom xProfile field options sort order, it’s now fixed. See #8623.

10.1.0 schedule

  • 10.1.0 stable: TBD 🎯

Documentation improvements

@im4th simply shared this message: “if you’re interested in contributing to the BuddyPress documentation, don’t hesitate to ping me. We’d like to improve the BP codex and we’ll need help

Open floor

@rekmla shared feedbacks about the 10.0.0 Site Membership request feature.

Next Dev-Chat

It will happen on February 16 at 19:30 UTC in #BuddyPress. The agenda will be the same as it was for this chat 😉

#10-0-0, #dev-chat, #summary

BP Dev-Chat Summary : January 5, 2022.

Some complementary explanations about the 9.2.0 release

@im4th started the meeting saying some words about this minor version which was released on January 3rd. The download spike (~39K downloads) was reached on January 4th. He apologized about the fact he took the decision quite in a rush without discussing about it during a dev-chat. He explained he wanted to have the BP Search Block released in the WordPress.org directory the soonest so that he could focus on the BP Rewrites feature as a plugin for the coming 15 days. 9.2.0 is including a change needed by the BP Search Block (activity search redirection support).

About BP Rewrites, @johnjamesjacoby wants to dive deeper into the plugin. @im4th said it was ok to delay its release after BuddyPress 10.0.0, if needed, as it’s a BP plugin. He also shared his opinion about a BP Core potential merge.

I believe it needs to stay an add-on for at least 2 major BuddyPress releases, there are too many plugins we need to make sure they still behave right before thinking about merging it into BP Core.

imath

Finishing the 10.0.0 Hello BuddyPress screen

If you’ve started testing the RC1 release (if not, do it now!), you already saw it has been finished (See #8605). During the chat, we’ve decided about the 10.0.0 features we want to highlight into this screen:

We also decided to release RC1 as soon as we could (it happened 2 days later) as we already postponed twice our schedule.

Last 10.0.0 schedule

  • 10.0.0-RC: January 7, 2022 🏁 ✅
  • 10.0.0 stable: January 17, 2022 🎯

Open floor

@dcavins has been using the 10.0.0-beta2 release on some decent traffic sites and it seems to be working well 💪 😎

@vapvarun brought up to our attention this support forum topic. Our discussion about it lead to an important decision for our next major release : if ! is_buddypress() no more BP Template Pack CSS/JS. @imath also wishes we use a more modular approach for our JavaScript assets as well as less/no dependency to jQuery.

Next Dev-Chat

It will happen on January 19 at 19:30 UTC in #BuddyPress. We should be able to check the first feedbacks about 10.0.0 😉

#10-0-0, #dev-chat, #summary